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Post by SirMouse on Jan 13, 2017 0:16:25 GMT -5
Xenoblade 2 was announced during Nintendo's live Switch presentation mere moments ago. Are you surprised? Excited? Notice anything interesting in the trailer? Feel free to post your thoughts here!
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Post by Primulus on Jan 13, 2017 1:00:42 GMT -5
I have a LOT of observations about this trailer, so I'll start with the characters. We see four of them in this trailer.
1. Monado Boy. I don't think I need to point out much, but Socran pointed out to me that he has the Lifehold symbol (or the Zohar symbol, if you prefer) on his sword. Might be important. He looks young, and as a main character, kinda solidifies this as a shonen title. Not that I'm complaining. 2. Cat-Ears. Unsure if male or female, but probably female. In the trailer in this thread, this character appears on the lower left sketches at 0:23 as well as appearing to be the same character riding the creature at 0:27. 3. Mecha-Girl. The probable heroine of the story, or Fiora analogue. She has the symbol of the Lifehold on her chest, exactly where Mecha-Fiora's Monado was. Coincidence? She also appears in the lower right section of the sketches at 0:23. 4. The Princess. She just looks like a princess to me, anyway. Her outfit shares a lot of motifs and similarities to the outfit of character #3, so they're probably related somehow. They wear the same head ornaments (but different colors), and she's also got the Lifehold symbol on her chest.
In terms of locations and world, other things to point out I suppose: 1. The mountain to the left at 0:18 is most certainly moving. Also, looks like Guar Plains 2. 2. At 0:20, Monado Boy is doing Shulk's run. 3. At 0:33, SKY TOWN. That's confirmation for multiple cities throughout the game at least. 4. At 0:44, there is a Nopon looking at Monado Boy as he walks by. 5. At 1:09, that appears to be an enormous tree in the background. Yggdrasil? Tree of Mana? I'm curious about this, especially since with it in the background, it takes the place of the Mechonis as the (possible) title screen. Curious, then, with the giant skywhale that follows afterwards. If I had to guess the skywhale itself will probably be a visitable location.
That's all my observations for now. Credits to Socran for pointing out a lot of these (especially 2 and 4).
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Post by ancientrune on Jan 13, 2017 1:25:58 GMT -5
Yea i saw the zohar symbols right away, i also mention on gamefaqs that the MC has a helmet that looks like an old diving helmet (underwater exploration or perhaps its for something a bit bigger) and that Mitsuda is doing the main theme and it is called Elysium of the blue sky (i assume Elysium is the flying beast or the tree seen near the end of the trailer)
I also noticed that light and doors seemed to be powered by ether
I also agree that the moving mountain and the whale are traversable.
Also the first area shown is reminiscent of Bionis arm. could the town be a colony.
ill have to watch more but i see a lot of the thing you guys did.
just had to add that the rabbits that hold clubs with their tail are the only monster I see from the original game
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Post by Primulus on Jan 13, 2017 2:06:28 GMT -5
After looking up the names attached, I noticed something in particular. Much like a couple of XCX's designers, the character designer for Xenoblade 2 has a history in erotic doujinshi. I found his Pixiv page, and he's got a loooot of lewd art on it. Also, he's done art of T-elos from Xenosaga III. The T-elos fanart (in the spoiler) isn't particularly lewd, so I'm posting it.
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Post by ancientrune on Jan 13, 2017 2:22:27 GMT -5
Well someone said that one of the character looks like a character from Expelled from Paradise which he also did
also SKY TOWN actually seems to be an airship which makes me think that it is used as a traveling device to go to various areas instead of having a load screen
it also seems that every area is on top of some gigantic beast.
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Post by ancientrune on Jan 13, 2017 2:31:26 GMT -5
also Gessenkou just busted this out
So, when Takahashi's name pops up there's some pages of stuff that float past, and you can kind of make out what's written on them.
In one, Vandam(yes, everyone's favorite), is discussing some relationship between "Blade" and "Driver" with Rex. He explains that the "Blade" is immortal and will recover from injuries quickly, unless some 'core' on their chest is destroyed, or if their "Driver" dies. Rex says something about how "Drivers" protect the "Blade", and thus, he will protect Homura.
In another, Homura, Hikari and Nia are all at some kind of bath, and Nia tells Hikari she's got a nice bod. I have no idea what kind of serious scenario that could ever be relevant in.
In the third(which I could barely read), some leader of something is leading other people towards some kind of ancient ship entrance. Nia's there, someone named Shin, and some other person named Mets(u). Might try and figure out more of this one later.
So if Rex is the Driver (likely what the helmet is for) that means the text makes it seem Homura is the Blade. Homura HOM mura, i might be onto something
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Post by Primulus on Jan 13, 2017 7:04:17 GMT -5
Quoting Gessenkou's update. "Managed to spot a decent amount of the third 'page' thing. Seems whatever leader that's there is leading groups of divers to the ancient ship. Mets(u), Nia, Shin and Rex are there, but there's some confusion about whether everyone should go or not. Also, if this one character I can't see is what I think it is, Nia would be with something named 'byakko', which is also the name of a mythological white tiger. So, I'm guessing they would probably be earsgirl and the tiger thing she's seen riding, if that's its name. i.imgur.com/4mOnULX.jpgPlus, giantfishboats docked at the thing. I wonder if this isn't just a port town kind of place located on one of the giant flying creatures somewhere. Maybe waiting for a chance to go fishing at the greater celestial river..." So I'm guessing our hero is Rex, the redheaded girl is Homura and the cat-eared girl is Nia. Maybe the blonde is Hikari, then?
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Post by SirMouse on Jan 13, 2017 7:30:08 GMT -5
I have a LOT of observations about this trailer, so I'll start with the characters. We see four of them in this trailer. 1. Monado Boy. I don't think I need to point out much, but Socran pointed out to me that he has the Lifehold symbol (or the Zohar symbol, if you prefer) on his sword. Might be important. He looks young, and as a main character, kinda solidifies this as a shonen title. Not that I'm complaining. 2. Cat-Ears. Unsure if male or female, but probably female. In the trailer in this thread, this character appears on the lower left sketches at 0:23 as well as appearing to be the same character riding the creature at 0:27. 3. Mecha-Girl. The probable heroine of the story, or Fiora analogue. She has the symbol of the Lifehold on her chest, exactly where Mecha-Fiora's Monado was. Coincidence? She also appears in the lower right section of the sketches at 0:23. 4. The Princess. She just looks like a princess to me, anyway. Her outfit shares a lot of motifs and similarities to the outfit of character #3, so they're probably related somehow. They wear the same head ornaments (but different colors), and she's also got the Lifehold symbol on her chest. In terms of locations and world, other things to point out I suppose: 1. The mountain to the left at 0:18 is most certainly moving. Also, looks like Guar Plains 2. 2. At 0:20, Monado Boy is doing Shulk's run. 3. At 0:33, SKY TOWN. That's confirmation for multiple cities throughout the game at least. 4. At 0:44, there is a Nopon looking at Monado Boy as he walks by. 5. At 1:09, that appears to be an enormous tree in the background. Yggdrasil? Tree of Mana? I'm curious about this, especially since with it in the background, it takes the place of the Mechonis as the (possible) title screen. Curious, then, with the giant skywhale that follows afterwards. If I had to guess the skywhale itself will probably be a visitable location. That's all my observations for now. Credits to Socran for pointing out a lot of these (especially 2 and 4). Excellent observations! At this point - assuming this game takes place after and is at least somewhat connected to the original - I'm curious as to what direction the story will go in. They definitely went pretty heavy on the references and homages to the original in the trailer, so my main concern as of now is that it may end up trying too much to be like its predecessor instead of paving its own path plot-wise. When it comes to sequels - especially those which may or may not directly proceed or be connected to the originals - it can be a delicate balance, trying to find a meaningful way to continue a story without tarnishing the original work or relying too heavily on nostalgia. This is especially true when it comes to a game like XC, which was its own self-contained story and didn't end on a cliffhanger. Having said that, I have high hopes that it'll be an amazing experience, and the fact that Monolith is in charge makes me confident that my concerns will turn out to be unfounded.
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Post by Primulus on Jan 13, 2017 18:48:03 GMT -5
I have a LOT of observations about this trailer, so I'll start with the characters. We see four of them in this trailer. 1. Monado Boy. I don't think I need to point out much, but Socran pointed out to me that he has the Lifehold symbol (or the Zohar symbol, if you prefer) on his sword. Might be important. He looks young, and as a main character, kinda solidifies this as a shonen title. Not that I'm complaining. 2. Cat-Ears. Unsure if male or female, but probably female. In the trailer in this thread, this character appears on the lower left sketches at 0:23 as well as appearing to be the same character riding the creature at 0:27. 3. Mecha-Girl. The probable heroine of the story, or Fiora analogue. She has the symbol of the Lifehold on her chest, exactly where Mecha-Fiora's Monado was. Coincidence? She also appears in the lower right section of the sketches at 0:23. 4. The Princess. She just looks like a princess to me, anyway. Her outfit shares a lot of motifs and similarities to the outfit of character #3, so they're probably related somehow. They wear the same head ornaments (but different colors), and she's also got the Lifehold symbol on her chest. In terms of locations and world, other things to point out I suppose: 1. The mountain to the left at 0:18 is most certainly moving. Also, looks like Guar Plains 2. 2. At 0:20, Monado Boy is doing Shulk's run. 3. At 0:33, SKY TOWN. That's confirmation for multiple cities throughout the game at least. 4. At 0:44, there is a Nopon looking at Monado Boy as he walks by. 5. At 1:09, that appears to be an enormous tree in the background. Yggdrasil? Tree of Mana? I'm curious about this, especially since with it in the background, it takes the place of the Mechonis as the (possible) title screen. Curious, then, with the giant skywhale that follows afterwards. If I had to guess the skywhale itself will probably be a visitable location. That's all my observations for now. Credits to Socran for pointing out a lot of these (especially 2 and 4). Excellent observations! At this point - assuming this game takes place after and is at least somewhat connected to the original - I'm curious as to what direction the story will go in. They definitely went pretty heavy on the references and homages to the original in the trailer, so my main concern as of now is that it may end up trying too much to be like its predecessor instead of paving its own path plot-wise. When it comes to sequels - especially those which may or may not directly proceed or be connected to the originals - it can be a delicate balance, trying to find a meaningful way to continue a story without tarnishing the original work or relying too heavily on nostalgia. This is especially true when it comes to a game like XC, which was its own self-contained story and didn't end on a cliffhanger. Having said that, I have high hopes that it'll be an amazing experience, and the fact that Monolith is in charge makes me confident that my concerns will turn out to be unfounded. To begin with, I don't see enough to say that the scenario will be a retread of the first game. There are definitely a lot of callbacks, but my impression of the set up is completely different. We have the characters I am guessing are called Rex and Homura. Rex, our main character, is a "Driver" while Homura is a "Blade." Blades appear to have some kind of special role in the world, while Drivers appear to be important in their role of guardianship of Blades. The enemy of the game is not currently identified, but still, this set-up is different than the one of XC1, where Shulk was motivated by revenge to go on a massive journey after the assumed death of his childhood friend. With the apparent premise, anything can happen with that, but Shulk's plot of revenge doesn't seem as likely to me. I think what was intended was an implied relationship a lot like Shulk and Fiora's (between Rex and Homura), but not the same story beats. I don't expect Homura to "die", or if she does, I don't expect her to go half the game before appearing as an enemy. Furthermore, I think we see two Blades in the trailer. One is the redheaded Homura, and the other is the blonde (Hikari?). They both have the same symbol on their chest, so they're both "like Fiora" which is weird if they were going to retread a lot of plot points in XC1.
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Post by Socran on Jan 14, 2017 2:25:49 GMT -5
Haldo! I've got a loooot to say about this one, but I'm trying to avoid the GameFAQs page thanks to a combination of OCD and not wanting to deal with s***. (Those of you who know me from Xenoblade X's pre-release know that I was kind of infamous for obsessively keeping track of absolutely everything and reading and responding to every topic. Yeah, not good for your mental health in communities as toxic as anything Nintendo-related has gotten lately.) So here's my take on the trailer!
(Dunno how to put quotes in the middle of a post on this board but I'm quoting this: "In one, Vandam(yes, everyone's favorite), is discussing some relationship between "Blade" and "Driver" with Rex. He explains that the "Blade" is immortal and will recover from injuries quickly, unless some 'core' on their chest is destroyed, or if their "Driver" dies. Rex says something about how "Drivers" protect the "Blade", and thus, he will protect Homura.")
Huh. Primulus actually told me about the first part, but either left out that last line or I just missed it. At any rate, less than an hour ago I suddenly thought, "Wait! What if the redhead is a Blade and Rex is her Driver? This is such a revelation!" Apparently not so much, lol. But there's one detail you may have missed. After coming up with this theory, I did a double take, and realized that Homura's design is pretty much a personified form of Rex's Monado (or whatever it'll be called). I believe that the plot of this game is set off by Rex discovering the Monado, which acts as a key that inadvertently activates its Blade counterpart, essentially sealing a pact between them with him as her Driver. Rex strikes me as someone whose normal occupation is as a scavenger, with that outfit likely being meant to protect him as he explores dangerous locations looking for scrap and old relics, and he ends up finding both the Monado and a deactivated Homura in the process.
But that's all just guessing. What I really wanted to post about is that tree at the end. It seems like pretty much nobody has taken a close enough look at it to realize that it keeps going up, past the point where its branches end. But rather than being more tree, it almost looks like it's just a straight pole sticking out. So what is it? Well, let's look at the mythological influences... That tree definitely has the vibes of some sort of "world tree". In mythology, a world tree frequently serves as a sort of link between different worlds, with its branches extending into heaven and its roots reaching down into the underworld (give or take six more worlds depending on how Norse you are). "Elysium" (or "Rakuen" in Japanese) seems to be the name of an important place in this game, and both are the names of a paradise in the afterlife - Heaven, basically. Which means it's very likely that this tree serves as a path to Elysium. But why the pole? Well, it's a Takahashi game. He loves blending fantasy and sci-fi together. And do you know what sci-fi (and possibly not "fi" forever) concept links the Earth to the heavens? An orbital elevator. I believe that Elysium is a high-technology civilization in the sky, like Solaris from Xenogears, and the tree disguises the elevator that connects them with the world below. They're likely the ones who created the Monado and the Blades, which could explain why Rex wants to go there for Homura's sake.
One last thing that I noticed while waiting for my activation e-mail for this board to come through. That moving mountain at 0:18? Well, it's hard to really pin it down exactly, but it kind of looks like the fin of a giant fish from the perspective of someone standing on its back. That giant white whale (ha) that we see in the title shot may actually be our Bionis. But if that's the case, and the game really does take place in the sky, then what's underneath the clouds? One thing I really liked about the first Xenoblade was that everything was relevant and had an explanation. Nothing was added just for the sake of having "neat lore", like so many other RPGs these days. So I expect that whatever is underneath those clouds (with the simplest answer being just "the ground") is relevant to the game's story. Especially since it seems the tree/elevator extends both upward past your current elevation and downward to the surface, backing up its status as a world tree that connects the Earth, the heavens, and the underworld. In that case, if the higher world is called Elysium, perhaps the lower world is Tartarus?
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Post by SirMouse on Jan 14, 2017 8:05:38 GMT -5
Haldo! I've got a loooot to say about this one, but I'm trying to avoid the GameFAQs page thanks to a combination of OCD and not wanting to deal with s***. (Those of you who know me from Xenoblade X's pre-release know that I was kind of infamous for obsessively keeping track of absolutely everything and reading and responding to every topic. Yeah, not good for your mental health in communities as toxic as anything Nintendo-related has gotten lately.) So here's my take on the trailer!
(Dunno how to put quotes in the middle of a post on this board but I'm quoting this: "In one, Vandam(yes, everyone's favorite), is discussing some relationship between "Blade" and "Driver" with Rex. He explains that the "Blade" is immortal and will recover from injuries quickly, unless some 'core' on their chest is destroyed, or if their "Driver" dies. Rex says something about how "Drivers" protect the "Blade", and thus, he will protect Homura.")
Huh. Primulus actually told me about the first part, but either left out that last line or I just missed it. At any rate, less than an hour ago I suddenly thought, "Wait! What if the redhead is a Blade and Rex is her Driver? This is such a revelation!" Apparently not so much, lol. But there's one detail you may have missed. After coming up with this theory, I did a double take, and realized that Homura's design is pretty much a personified form of Rex's Monado (or whatever it'll be called). I believe that the plot of this game is set off by Rex discovering the Monado, which acts as a key that inadvertently activates its Blade counterpart, essentially sealing a pact between them with him as her Driver. Rex strikes me as someone whose normal occupation is as a scavenger, with that outfit likely being meant to protect him as he explores dangerous locations looking for scrap and old relics, and he ends up finding both the Monado and a deactivated Homura in the process.
But that's all just guessing. What I really wanted to post about is that tree at the end. It seems like pretty much nobody has taken a close enough look at it to realize that it keeps going up, past the point where its branches end. But rather than being more tree, it almost looks like it's just a straight pole sticking out. So what is it? Well, let's look at the mythological influences... That tree definitely has the vibes of some sort of "world tree". In mythology, a world tree frequently serves as a sort of link between different worlds, with its branches extending into heaven and its roots reaching down into the underworld (give or take six more worlds depending on how Norse you are). "Elysium" (or "Rakuen" in Japanese) seems to be the name of an important place in this game, and both are the names of a paradise in the afterlife - Heaven, basically. Which means it's very likely that this tree serves as a path to Elysium. But why the pole? Well, it's a Takahashi game. He loves blending fantasy and sci-fi together. And do you know what sci-fi (and possibly not "fi" forever) concept links the Earth to the heavens? An orbital elevator. I believe that Elysium is a high-technology civilization in the sky, like Solaris from Xenogears, and the tree disguises the elevator that connects them with the world below. They're likely the ones who created the Monado and the Blades, which could explain why Rex wants to go there for Homura's sake.
One last thing that I noticed while waiting for my activation e-mail for this board to come through. That moving mountain at 0:18? Well, it's hard to really pin it down exactly, but it kind of looks like the fin of a giant fish from the perspective of someone standing on its back. That giant white whale (ha) that we see in the title shot may actually be our Bionis. But if that's the case, and the game really does take place in the sky, then what's underneath the clouds? One thing I really liked about the first Xenoblade was that everything was relevant and had an explanation. Nothing was added just for the sake of having "neat lore", like so many other RPGs these days. So I expect that whatever is underneath those clouds (with the simplest answer being just "the ground") is relevant to the game's story. Especially since it seems the tree/elevator extends both upward past your current elevation and downward to the surface, backing up its status as a world tree that connects the Earth, the heavens, and the underworld. In that case, if the higher world is called Elysium, perhaps the lower world is Tartarus? Sorry that I don't have anything to add to your post at the moment (pressed for time currently), but I just wanted to welcome you to the site! I'll get more involved in the discussion when I get the chance, but yeah, thanks for joining, and excellent first post!
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Post by ancientrune on Jan 14, 2017 9:57:27 GMT -5
So i may butcher this but i want to share some of my thoughts on the relationship between Driver and Blade since a lot of my ideas about the world were already covered by Socran while adding some thing he said that I view differently. Ill start with the latter, first while I agree that they are on the back of a giant living creature i feel that it not a fin but actually a head as it looks like it has a horn from an animal rather than it being a fin from a fish. in the same vein I think that the whale is more like the Mechonis rather than The Bionis of this world as it looks like it has some ether like substance running through parts of it as well as being shown in a position where the Mechonis was in XB
Ok so lets get into Rex and then go into what it means to be a driver. I kinda get the feeling that while he is a scavenger like Socran suggested im wondering if instead of scavenging ruins on the gigantic creature he searches for them below the clouds. My thought process is that it may be impossible to explore under the clouds with the ships because it could be deadly to the whaleships, Im thinking that the helmet allows him to survive there while the grapling hook on his arm is used to lower himself down and pull himself up from the dangers below.
Now to the driver part, when i first heard the term it made me ask myself a certain question "what does he drive" could it be a mech of some sort or an ancient ship. I then thought while that may be something we may see I figured that was just too simple for Takahashi and then it hit me, if there is a significant relationship between driver and blade and Taka loves his sci-fi I figured that Driver is something similar to a device driver in a computer. It seems that the Monado like blade is some kind of physical representation of said connection and applies to Rex and Homura that when the driver dies the monado is destroyed along with the Blade. I assume that why the zohar symbol is on sword and not Rex.
Thats about all I got for now, my wording may be confusing but I think you can figure out the point I was trying to make
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Post by flameheadshero on Jan 14, 2017 13:00:40 GMT -5
Wait, is it "driver?" I've been thinking it was diver this whole time because of the MC's outfit.
Also does anyone else think the girl in red actually is the sword the MC is using?
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Post by Socran on Jan 14, 2017 13:07:11 GMT -5
first while I agree that they are on the back of a giant living creature i feel that it not a fin but actually a head as it looks like it has a horn from an animal rather than it being a fin from a fish. I figured out how to mess around with quotes! Anyway, I thought the same thing at first, that it was the head of some sort of horned creature. But actually, it does seem like the whale creature we see has some sort of horn-like things on its back. We don't really get a good enough look at them to compare, which is why I said it was iffy, but it wouldn't be the first time a fantasy creature has had horns on the end of fins, and the specific way it moves makes a lot more sense for a fin than the "giant thing turning its head" that I initially thought.
As for the Mechonis relation, I'm fairly certain if there was no Mechonis in the first game and only a Bionis, the cover art would have found some other way to show that the game took place on the corpse of a titan. (On that note, it's not out of the question that you never even go to that particular whale because it's just another random one of the same species that you're already on.) Plus, I've got a feeling that Elysium, most likely represented by the tree, will be the "Mechonis" of this game. That, or "Tartarus"...
I kinda get the feeling that while he is a scavenger like Socran suggested im wondering if instead of scavenging ruins on the gigantic creature he searches for them below the clouds. I was actually thinking the exact same thing. I just didn't mention it in that part because I didn't want to get ahead of myself and start linking the separate observations too heavily (especially two paragraphs before I even made the relevant one). Especially if the scrap he searches for is advanced artifacts that have "fallen" from Elysium. Some of it may end up on the backs of flying creatures, and maybe common folk frequently end up scavenging for them, but the majority of it will end up below. That's where Rex comes in, with the particular set of skills and equipment to dive down to "Tartarus", which may be an inhospitable wasteland as a direct result of Elysium's waste (or perhaps just because they went to war with them in the past). That said, I don't think the air down there is toxic or anything, since Rex's helmet has grates over the front instead of being sealed. Maybe there's something else that makes it dangerous enough to require special diving equipment. At any rate, it wouldn't surprise me if this is where Rex finds the Monado and Homura. Wait, is it "driver?" I've been thinking it was diver this whole time because of the MC's outfit. Also does anyone else think the girl in red actually is the sword the MC is using? "Duraibaa" is the word written in katakana on the script in that part, although I think I heard Primulus mention Gessenkou's translation saying something about divers in a different context. At any rate, I doubt Rex's suit has anything to do with his role as a Driver. Possibly as a diver. And yeah I was thinking that Homura literally being the sword was a possibility, but I kind of doubt it. More likely, the blatant similarities between the two are because they're part of a set.
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Post by DarknessLink7 on Jan 14, 2017 13:28:50 GMT -5
Just like SirMouse, I'd like to welcome you to the site Socran! Welcome! If you're fed up with GameFAQs I think you'll like it here. Now that Xenoblade 2 has been announced we should see more activity on here as well!
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Post by ancientrune on Jan 14, 2017 13:43:11 GMT -5
first while I agree that they are on the back of a giant living creature i feel that it not a fin but actually a head as it looks like it has a horn from an animal rather than it being a fin from a fish. I figured out how to mess around with quotes! Anyway, I thought the same thing at first, that it was the head of some sort of horned creature. But actually, it does seem like the whale creature we see has some sort of horn-like things on its back. We don't really get a good enough look at them to compare, which is why I said it was iffy, but it wouldn't be the first time a fantasy creature has had horns on the end of fins, and the specific way it moves makes a lot more sense for a fin than the "giant thing turning its head" that I initially thought.
As for the Mechonis relation, I'm fairly certain if there was no Mechonis in the first game and only a Bionis, the cover art would have found some other way to show that the game took place on the corpse of a titan. (On that note, it's not out of the question that you never even go to that particular whale because it's just another random one of the same species that you're already on.) Plus, I've got a feeling that Elysium, most likely represented by the tree, will be the "Mechonis" of this game. That, or "Tartarus"...
I kinda get the feeling that while he is a scavenger like Socran suggested im wondering if instead of scavenging ruins on the gigantic creature he searches for them below the clouds. I was actually thinking the exact same thing. I just didn't mention it in that part because I didn't want to get ahead of myself and start linking the separate observations too heavily (especially two paragraphs before I even made the relevant one). Especially if the scrap he searches for is advanced artifacts that have "fallen" from Elysium. Some of it may end up on the backs of flying creatures, and maybe common folk frequently end up scavenging for them, but the majority of it will end up below. That's where Rex comes in, with the particular set of skills and equipment to dive down to "Tartarus", which may be an inhospitable wasteland as a direct result of Elysium's waste (or perhaps just because they went to war with them in the past). That said, I don't think the air down there is toxic or anything, since Rex's helmet has grates over the front instead of being sealed. Maybe there's something else that makes it dangerous enough to require special diving equipment. At any rate, it wouldn't surprise me if this is where Rex finds the Monado and Homura. Wait, is it "driver?" I've been thinking it was diver this whole time because of the MC's outfit. Also does anyone else think the girl in red actually is the sword the MC is using? "Duraibaa" is the word written in katakana on the script in that part, although I think I heard Primulus mention Gessenkou's translation saying something about divers in a different context. At any rate, I doubt Rex's suit has anything to do with his role as a Driver. Possibly as a diver. And yeah I was thinking that Homura literally being the sword was a possibility, but I kind of doubt it. More likely, the blatant similarities between the two are because they're part of a set. i agree with this, The Monado Rex wields is likely just a housing for Homura's soul which would explain why she is immortal and why if Rex dying is the other way for the blade to die. I think she can act independently of the said Monado as long as her driver lives. Good ole Takahashi doesnt stray too far form his favorite themes I also wanted to mention that the pants everyone is complaining about likely has a practical use, perhaps aiding him in skydiving. Or perhaps something called Skydriving. Also calling there being a nopon character, likely Metsu that affectionately calls Homura "Hom Hom"
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Post by Socran on Jan 14, 2017 16:25:02 GMT -5
I also wanted to mention that the pants everyone is complaining about People are complaining about the pants? Look, it's practically confirmed that he works for this game's Van character, so what do you expect? i.ytimg.com/vi/vZHY_Vhpf_0/maxresdefault.jpgAlso calling there being a nopon character, likely Metsu that affectionately calls Homura "Hom Hom"
YAS.
Edit: Also, I really want to see a white and gold Monado that corresponds to Hikari. (And I kind of want her Driver to be a villain who initially forces her to fight you against her will. Maybe she finally breaks free from him when she realizes that he's a coward and will always try to save his own life regardless of how much she defies him, so any threats to kill himself are meaningless.)
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Post by ancientrune on Jan 15, 2017 10:58:34 GMT -5
just wanted to post that miiseeks posted a new video that has a lot of stuff we missed and kind of bridges some gaps we may have had
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Post by Socran on Jan 15, 2017 16:40:36 GMT -5
Hmm. I disagree with nearly everything in that video that we didn't already cover here. Not too fond of him working his own personal biases into it, either. "Oh, that means we won't have to wait 6 months for NoA to censor the game!" Bro, the first game was released in Europe 14 months after Japan. Translating takes time. We saw videos very close to the English release that had radically different text and UI, indicating that they were working on actual localization right up to the end. They didn't throw it together in a day and then spend six months painting underwear onto Lin's base model.
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Post by Primulus on Jan 15, 2017 17:09:42 GMT -5
just wanted to post that miiseeks posted a new video that has a lot of stuff we missed and kind of bridges some gaps we may have had I actually disagree with a lot on this video and think the video creator actually twists a lot of words to match a presupposed viewpoint. Particularly, the notion that Homura is the sword Rex is wielding in several cutscenes. While I do think there is a link (the sword matches the design of Homura's armor, after all) I don't quite see them being the same thing. Gessenkou's original translation never implied "Driver" means "wielder." While it is curious that there is no sword in exploration scenes, could it possible the exploration scenes occur so early that it's before he obtains it? I think it's more likely the sword matching Homura's armor design is more of an idea of a covenant of sorts between the two characters, as opposed to Homura being literally a personification of the sword, as if both are two pieces of a whole. So what it comes down to is simply, what defines "Driver"? There is so far zero indication from translations that "Driver" refers to "wielder" in the sense of wielding a blade unless Gessenkou has made new posts I haven't seen yet. I think it's better off we suspect that "Driver" supplies some kind of power to a "Blade", because that makes somewhat more sense in context of a) if the Driver dies, so does the Blade and b) Rex's desire to protect Homura. The latter in particular just doesn't make as much sense to me if Homura is just a personification of Rex's sword.
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